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Dec 26, 2008

US as democracy a delusion

With transiting Saturn approaching America's natal Neptune in Virgo, planet of delusion, deception - including self-deception - confusion, veils, the masses, oceans, the collective unconscious (Uranus and Pluto - all three outer planets - are linked to the great unconscious of mankind as symbolized in the constellations by Cetus the Whale) we must wonder what the old man will bring to our ideals - a tampering squelch or wishes coming true?

Neptune's province includes the basic urge to merge, as well as ideals and dreams, so considering Saturn's function of splashing cold water upon what won't be manifesting (no matter how one wishes upon a star), the US may have a very basic and fated realization coming by way of Saturn's realistic rays to nebulous natal Neptune 22Vir25 in natal 9th house of Philosophy, Higher Education, and Religion.

Down to Earth with a Bump?

Today is 12.26.08, and my radio is broadcasting, PRI's 'Changing World' with a program called, Desperate Dreams...descriptive of my blab here on Saturn (desperation; loss) and Neptune (dreams.)

There is a place where I attempt to blend these Saturn (form)+ Neptune (mists) energies into an image at Dreamyfish Art if you're interested in botanical fish portraits placed in fantastical undersea scenes - ensnared within their favorite dream surroundings, as the script goes.

Yet this crisis in consciousness has been a long time coming...at least 28 years with Saturn's orbit. Something of a mosey, 28 years, which could actually vary from 26.5 and 30 years, depending on retrogradation, etc. Old men often hobble along as slow as turtles, but some have a hitch in their get-along when they choose to.

And then there's Saturn's timekeeping function - Time, the one thing Astrology brings to any picture because, like it or not, we are all subject to the Great Equalizer, Time, another of Saturn's realms peeking from behind his Chronos face which we view in the symbol for January, the face of Janus.

Saturn's last tango with US natal Neptune was a three-fer transit: Oct 23, 1979; March 29, 1980; and July 13, 1980. Events from this time period, or situations where things were happening then may come back to haunt, or need further attention in some way.

And if the pertinent Solar Eclipses of the time (1979 - 1980) extend their influences to the present year 2009, we have:

18 North '29Leo' = high stress level; taxing of strength possibly including accident or injury; physical concerns and obsessive thinking or worrying.

18 South '27AQ' conj US n Moon = endings, partings, separations through travel or endings of relationships, but new situations have positive outcomes. (Brady's 'Predictive Astrology.')

Now if Saturn's lessons have been heeded in the past (Saturn's realm, the past, along with tradition; Saturn is the old man, the senex) if lessons have been heeded and responsibilities have been honored and taken seriously, Saturn may bring long-term rewards to long-term efforts.

That would be one above-average positive result of Saturn to US natal Neptune. The other is Saturnian form being brought to - offered to - Neptunian dreams!

My negative interpretation would be something related to secret (Neptune) government (Saturn) being put into a more concrete form through the 'dreams' of the social tinkerers who are determined to implement their plans for a one-world-government.

Their schedule is moving right along, and Barack Obama's presidency is, sad to say, no exception.


Now this, from Information Clearing House:

"The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it." - Edward Dowling

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This post prepared using America's symbolic 'Sibly' natal chart, July 4, 1776 5:10 pm LMT, Philadelphia, PA. The actual date or hour of Saturn to Neptune may be affected a little by which natal chart is used, but the transit's influence remains the same.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

All "eyes and ears" to see what Saturn transit on US natal Neptune will bring - missed however any reference to Uranus in opposition to all that. Old man Saturn getting "steamed up this time"?

Jude Cowell said...

Hi Gian Paul, thanks!

Yes, i had mentioned Uranus opposing US n Neptune previously as one ideology being eliminated or replaced by another with loss of ideals a distinct possibility - generationally, of course.

That's been in process for a while now as you might agree! jude

Anonymous said...

Poor people believe that they live in a Democracy because they are on the whole uneducated. Some people are poor because they can't craft a decent life by chasing the middle-class ideals- the middle-class ideals as represented by the John Hughes movies of the 80's but mostly people are poor because they barely know how to read, how to communicate in written English. this has come about I believe because we don't know how to handle our huge urban populations. I was always poor but was educated as if my parents were wealthy-I was lucky enough to grow-up in Kansas where progressive Republicans ruled (my parents were Democrat) and the entire community of children had wonderful schooling that included music, art and sports just as if we were in the finest private academies. No one now but the privileged children receive that type of hands on education. for one thing teachers cannot teach like that in classes of 20-30 we had classes 5-12 with my class the children of 1947 the largest class 12-13. This was not heaven but boy was it effective.

whoa off on my hobbyhorse-the value of education- impossible for any change until people are uplifted through education and this issue has stumped leaders always.
I don't want a saint for a leader don't believe in that but I do believe in human effort to change, to see things in a new light.

DD said...

Hi again,
Is it possible that Saturn will conjoin with Neptune to wake us up?
To appeal to our highest sense of Neptune - to help all?
Is it possible that we are being driven into corners of sacrifice to keep us from caring about others, far and near? Just maybe, our highest ideals for the human race could be smacked into reality by the very thing keeping us from caring. Happy and complacent, people stay quiet, but hurt and aroused the human race may start to care about those who are in bigger trouble.

The one world idea may seem really appealing. But on another level, it may feel self serving to those who don't care about the little guy at all, except as slave labor. Infastructure comes to mind. Remember the importation of the Chinese to build railroads?

To be true to our highest ideals we may have to see change as the construct of useful foundations that lift all of humanity into communion with each other, via science, the internet, twitter, Jude's Threshold.
dd

Jude Cowell said...

Clymela, that's a good idea you have there with a new perspective and worker bees for The People in Washington...then the infestation i fuss and fret about could be switched from vermin and termites to bees...hmmm...i see your point...thanks! jude

Donna, lol! P-shaw to your last sentence!

It seems to me that the social tinkerers who think they 'know' what's best for the entire world (while shrouding war and violence in 'democracy' and 'freedom' cloaks) consider themselves and their high-handed plans to be above what the universe wants for the human race.

Of course, the universe KNOWS one gaggle of bald headed rich men are not really in charge of everything - as do you and i...

So when Saturn's bucket of cold water is thrown over dreams and ideals to see which melt or which are firm, perhaps we as a people will find something solid to reach toward - something 'workable' in Virgo! jc