Don't think I'll be changing my mind on it though...a long-planned, rigged collapse it was and is, astrologically orchestrated by 'secret hand' Pluto in Capricorn, sign of structure, law, government, politics, and business, and apex/focal planet in the Cardinal T-Square between Saturn/Uranus (opposing one another) that we're all reading and writing so much about these days and at the beginning of its full effect for Spring Equinox 2010.
Once again, here is the midpoint picture formed between the three T-Squared planets which were in similar configuration during the era of the Great Depression:
Saturn/Uranus = Pluto: desire to overcome a difficult situation through extraordinary effort; brutality; rebellion against one's lot in life; harm through force majeure; tremendous fear of loss; upheaval to protect assets; revolution; concealing changes to activities; termination of practices that have been hindering progress; drastic changes in a previously liberal atmosphere; rigid inflexibility replaces adaptation. (Ebertin; Tyl: Munkasey; all, some, or none may apply.)
These difficult planetary patterns will affect the collective from 2010 to 2014 which covers the following time frame of transits to the US chart and beyond...
As you know, transiting Pluto has been opposing US natal Venus (values, small amounts of money, relationships) in Cancer and will soon oppose US natal Jupiter, a period of time not favorable to US interests, finances, or partnerships.
Here's the plutonian schedule of hits to our natal 'Sibly' chart (5:10 pm LMT, July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, PA) with both our Venus and Jupiter in natal 7th house of Partnerships, Legal Affairs, and Open Enemies - dates are 'on or about' depending on your time zone:
Pluto oppo n Venus 3Can06: Dec 26, 2009; August 9, 2010; Oct 18, 2010.
Pluto oppo n Jupiter 5Can56: Jan 17, 2011; Nov 20, 2011; July 8, 2011.
As you see, only one opposition has occurred as of today - the Dec 26, 2009 stand-off to natal Venus. This transit indicates struggles for power and control in relationships and valuations with possible violence brought by the determined Mr. Hades. So from August 9, 2010 until July 8, 2011 (and thereafter) plutonian power struggles will be 'on' for control of America. (I use a 5-degree orb with Pluto transits. Perhaps you do, too.)
When Pluto opposes US natal Sun 13Can19 (Sun = the leader in a national chart - the 'president' to us), the mighty contest of wills is sure to be titanic and the possibilities of impotency and isolation are on the menu. The transit is within orb of US Sun beginning in very early 2012 (Pluto 8 Cap+) and in effect until 2017!
And Pluto will conjunct UK's natal Sun during this time. Hmmm...trouble on the powerful Can/Cap axis between the US and UK? A big break between us would be a major coup for someone, wouldn't it?
Of course, other transits to the US and *UK charts will occur simultaneously which either support or counterbalance the plutonian effects, yet my main grouse today is about the destructuring of forms and the belying of our perceived reality by catalyst Pluto's secretive actions.
To me, these transits say that US resources will be sufficiently depleted during that time period, if not before, that the 'secret' control heretofore exercised by string-pulling plutocrats may not remain as secret as before, and that abuse of power by the Sun will be best avoided since it won't work anyway. My disturbing expectation is that the US presidency will be transformed (further) or will be dispensed with altogether. This will affect whether America wins, or is allowed to win, the battle to act as the global domination czar.
So is the 2008 financial collapse a symptom - or signal - of a Hitler-esque mania for world domination, which is to be continued into complete totalitarianism?
If you check SO'W's sidebar (underneath the Current Moon Phase graphic) for 'Now Reading' you'll see a couple of links to interesting articles, one of which is 'German hyper-inflation 1922/23' that tells the tale of the economic conditions in the Rhineland leading up to Hitler's seizing of power on Jan 30, 1933. (Adolf and Franklin sittin' in a tree...s-e-i-z-i-n-g?)
Well, if Hitler hadn't been a murderous psychopath who psychologically splintered before everyone's eyes (perhaps in part from syphilis? cirrhosis?), one wonders what the modern condition of Germany would be. Sadly, we may eventually discover that such a model is in existence before our own eyes, and it will too late to stop it once the deed is done. Perhaps this is the meaning and outcome of Pluto-opposing-natal-Sun after Mr. Hades vanquishes our Venus and Jupiter, both planets relating to Money and Resources, and Sun representing such things as political power, control of resources, willpower, and life path or purpose.
You know, transits to natal charts continue after death so it may be worth noting that **Hitler's natal Moon/Jupiter conjunction (6Cap38 and 8:15) will also be transformed by a visit from Pluto during this period.
Tiresome subjects? Agreed! But you know what they say: just because you have no interest in Politics doesn't mean that the raptor's gaze of Politics hasn't fallen threateningly upon you.
*UK's modern chart: Jan 1, 1801 12:00 am (NS); London, from historical record; Sun 10Cap11 at IC, Moon 19Can26 in 10th house; natal YOD: Jupiter/Uranus = Pluto: tremendous drive to success; receiving a bounty; great gains; devices with potential to transform the world; sudden financial changes. Apex Pluto in YOD pattern is karmic: possesses penetrating perceptions not shared or easily understood by others; momentous situations lead to destined changes but something must die or regenerate first (such as an old order?); long years of preparation bring a new level of power that's been purged of all vulnerabilities; has organizational control over super-structures in society; can revolutionize world concepts and usher in a new world order.
And this is in the UK's natal chart, not ours!
Negatively managed, apex Pluto in a YOD may de-elevate the individual (each of us, not Pluto! Astrology follows AC-DC principles) to a frustrating level of obscurity and isolation; Mr. Hades is openly defiant about undermining existing authority at any cost and he's been 'purging vulnerabilities' for years now (paraphrasing Dynamics of Aspect Analysis, Bil Tierney.)
**Adolf Hitler's natal chart (Rodden Rating AA): born April 20, 1889 6:30 pm (-0:52:08) in Braunau am Inn, Austria; Sun 00Tau48 conjunct n DESC 26Ari41 and asteroid, MIDAS 00:31; Hitler's Sun degree is called his 'trigger point' and has shown itself to be a violent degree of the zodiac. His first contact with Gottfried Feder in June 1919 and the great impression Feder made on him involved Feder's captivating ideas on money which Hitler used eventually against the Reichsbank in order to take over control of the nation.
Adolf 'hothead' Hitler's natal ASC has his Jupiter/Saturn midpoint upon it suggesting that liver imbalance was behind his extreme moodiness which obviously would have been made much worse by years of alcohol consumption. His Moon/Jupiter conjunction is implicated, too, with both ruled by Saturn - more Jup/Sat influences upon the physical body (Moon and ASC); Moon in Cap is ambitious, yes, but also emotionally deprived in childhood giving him a feeling of emotional entitlement increased greatly by Jupiter's over-the-top presence. jc