Harris-Trump Debate Sept 10th

by Jude Cowell, partisan for the common good

UPDATE Sept 9, 2024: Checking too early for details regarding the September 10th debate, its location in Philadelphia escaped me. So I'll add a Horoscope set for Philly which shows how very little difference between NYC vs Philadelphia locations!

Original post begins here:

Yesterday I heard that Mr. Trump has flip-flopped again and says he will show up on September 10, 2024 at ABC studios to debate his opponent VP Kamala Harris. All along, VP Harris has stated that she will show up for the September 10th debate whether Trump turns up or not. So in case the debate occurs, below you see a horoscope of the event set for the date, hour, and location.

The horoscope has been retitled, Harris-Trump Debate 9/24 (from Biden-Trump) and is followed by the debate's midpoint pictures at 9:00 pm edt.

Then we'll note the first natal planet to rise at 9:00 pm edt, the official starting time of the debate, for both VP Harris and Mr. Trump:

September 10, 2024 9:00 pm edt NYC Midpoint Pictures; any, all, or none of the potentials may be operative; all are subject to activation by transit or progression:

Sun = Moon-Jupiter: Optimism; social outlook;

Moon = Sun-Saturn: depression; fear; feeling inferior;

Jupiter = Mercury-NN: lively communications;

Mars = Mercury-Ascendant: urge for success; emphasizing one's own ideas; quarrels; willingness to negotiate;

Uranus = Jupiter-Ascendant: a fortunate rearrangement of circumstances;

And the ongoing, Neptune = Uranus-Pluto: knowledge of human nature; sympathy; uncertainty and insecurity; nervouse diseases (ex: neuroses.)

(Paraphrasing R. Ebertin.)

With 5Tau41 rising at 9:00 pm edt NYC, the first natal planet to rise of VP Harris is her Jupiter @24Taurus conjoined by debate Uranus which suggests expanded horizons and an opportunity to take an entirely new path. For Mr. Trump, first his natal Midheaven (career point) rises with transit Uranus its recent visitor - Uranus, which suggests a new direction for him as well but changes are triggered or activated by others. First natal planet to rise for Trump is his 10th house Uranus in Gemini, his guiding planet of chaos, disruption, and shock. And as we know, that's how he prefers to do business.

Now while chart/debate ruler Venus @15Libra (conjunct US 1776 Saturn exalted) trines debate Jupiter (20Gemini) which languishes among Trump's 10th house Gemini trio, debate Venus is intercepted in 6th house (Placidus House System) so Trump's usual 'good luck' (his Jupiter-Uranus trine) may seem to be a little on the used-up side these days.

Yet on another level, if we see Venus-conjunct-Saturn intercepted as symbolizing former AG/prosecutor VP Kamala Harris, a measure of interference may be evident, and/or her debate preparation and rhetoric will be something she feels karmically compelled to deliver. Perhaps the interference is partially the call from legal eagles for her to stop using terms like "criminal" and "felon" to describe her out-on-bail opponent, and this could interfere with her popular, "I know his type" assertion during her campaign speeches. Well, he does give felons a bad name, I agree.

And perhaps you agree, that this will be a political debate worth watching. That is if the out-on-bail Uranian nominee shows up to spar with the former AG/prosecutor, VP Harris.

In closing, here's an additional note: 5Tau41 rising brings up Gov. Tim Walz's natal Mercury! Plus, debate North Node (NN) points directly toward Gov. Walz's natal Mars so I'd expect his military service record to be mentioned, and possibly his various comments on tape.

Kamala Harris October 20, 1964 9:28 pm pdt Oakland, CA; ASC 24Gem25 conjunct North Node.

Donald Trump June 14, 1946 10:54 am edt Queens, NY; ASC 29Leo55 conjunct Mars and Regulus.

Natal notes: Tim Walz April 6, 1964

Dual Natal Charts: Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner

The natal horoscope of Ivanka Trump is rated X for 'date without time', same for her husband Jared Kushner. Both were born in 1981, a year of two major conjunctions--Jupiter-Saturn (3x: 4--10 Libra) and Jupiter-Pluto (once @24Lib53)--he on January 10, 1981 in Livingston, New Jersey, she on October 30, 1981 in New York, New York.

Below is a dual image of their natal horoscopes set for 'noon' with few of my usual scribbled astro-notes--primarily penned on are the three dates of Kushner's current Mars Return/s. However, if born at 12:00 am est or just after, his Mars is at 8AQ04 and the following Return dates change by one to three days. If born at or just prior to midnight, his Mars falls at 8AQ51 and his Mars Return dates differ by one to four days. Obviously, the Mars Return months remain the same and you will note that the transiting South Node, the tail of the dragon, has recently swiped Mr. Kushner's natal Mars in Aquarius no matter its precise degree suggesting his recent preference for isolation from public view and the lack of popularity for his actions.

A few notes on the couple's respective Sun-Moon personality blends are listed under the image along with Kushner's Mars Return dates to his 'noon' position of natal Mars (8AQ28):

Jared Kushner Mars Return/s 8AQ28: 1. June 15, 2018; 2. July 7, 2018; 3. October 6, 2018. Transit Jupiter has been making a series of squares to his natal Mars denoting a period when common sense and moderation are needed for best results, and jumping to conclusions and the tendency to overestimate himself are best avoided. Significant is the fact that his Mars conjoins his natal South Node so every two years his Mars Return repeats that Saturnian connection which indicates a natural loner who won't consider the opinions of others when making decisions, and one whose actions and desires are often out of tune with those of society and are against cultural trends (Sakoian). The timing also signifies a recent Nodal Return (10Leo/AQ) for Mr. Kushner, and interestingly, Vladimir Putin was also born with a Mars-South Node conjunction (see link, below).

A Few Astro-Notes on Jared's and Ivanka's Personality Blends

The Earth-Water Sun Cap-Moon Pisces blend of Jared Kushner is that of a romantic skeptic who is dependable yet private. Kushner may worry that he will be overwhelmed by his problems and he tends to second-guess himself. An introvert, he feels things deeply and suppresses his feelings which are kept to himself--and he tends to carry the burdens of others and is willing to bend truth.

Image for Integration: "A wine collector uncorks a rare vintage to celebrate success."

Ivanka Trump: Water-Fire Sun Scorpio-Moon Sag identifies Trump's daughter as an uncompromising, self-dramatizing, committed and passionate woman who "will hold back a trump or two when it comes to feelings" if she thinks it wiser. Sharing a sympatico Sag Moon with her father, Ivanka can be a stern judge, a paranoid introvert, and/or a spontaneous, outspoken extrovert who hates to be constrained. Her analytical mind makes her effective within group dynamics, plus, she's a natural psychologist and educator with a zeal for truth. A loyal if demanding friend, she does what she says she will do yet can have something of a Scorpionic 'sting' in her tail.

Image for Integration: "Picasso's Guernica."

Personality blends and Images: Sun Sign-Moon Sign by Charles and Suzi Harvey.

Related Posts include: The Natal Planets of Putin and Trump and In the Realms of Jupiter: Jared Kushner whose natal Jupiter in airy Libra conjoins his Saturn; however, note that Ivanka Trump was also born with Jupiter in Libra as was Donald Trump whose Jupiter conjoins Neptune and Chiron while Ivanka was born under a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction which obviously represents her wealth-worshiping father who mounts large-scale projects, applies for massive bank loans and other funding from abroad, and qualifies as a plutocrat.