As usual, they're calling it a debate which is always a debateable term to use for political performances. That grouse out of the way, let's consider the horoscope of tonight's event, chart set for Philadelphia, PA, 8:00 pm edt, April 16, 2008.
Rising 2Sco05 is Hillary's natal Sun! But rising along with it (and of late it's been bedeviling her off and on) is transiting Saturn/Pluto midpoint...
Saturn/Pluto = Sun: threat of loss; hard work; enforced change; potential ill health (or mention of healthcare initiatives?); physical toil and over-exertionl; sparing no pians in one's work; renunciation; privation; a physical separation.
Saturn/Pluto = ASC: placed in cumbersome and difficult circumstances; separation; mourning and bereavement; sadness. (Tyl; Ebertin.)
~~Midpoint pictures may manifest in an 'all, either, or none' fashion.~~
Of course, the combo of Saturn/Pluto relates to violent people, adepts, magicians, extremely self-disciplined people, fanatical adherence to one's principles, and martyrdom (Ebertin.)
Will Hillary-as-leader be martyred to the one world government she so wants to water with tender loving care? She's waited so long! If so, it's because someone else has been determined to be the one the masses will listen to the best--at least at first.
And once their chosen shill moves into the White House, it's become impossible to squeeze the varmint out, as we've seen.
At Mc, the Goal Point of the chart, is 7Leo55 with "8Leo" being the "A Bolshevik Propagandist" degree, or as Dane Rudhyar puts it in his 'An Astrological Mandala'..."A Communist Activist Spreading His Revolutionary Ideals." This is George Bush's natal Ascendant degree, as you know--so Jupiter/Neptune opposes his natal ASC...
Jupiter/Neptune = ASC: appearing to live in a world lighted by personal imagination and an emotionally rationalized agenda; sharing great hopes with others; speculation.
(The Jupiter/Neptune combo has spiritual links--the Pope's visit; and to idealism, feeling special, and to tricky legalisms.) (Tyl.)
At Ic, the Foundation of the chart and of tonight's event, is the midpoint of Jupiter/Neptune so we have...
Jupiter/Neptune = Mc: a visionary; a spendthrift, wastrel, or squanderer; a fortune-hunter; a speculator; harm or damage through thoughtlessness.
Sounds like Bush, Cheney, and their war to me, and it's sure to be a topic tonight. But of course, members of Congress are invested in the war as well and making a...killing, one assumes, so little will be done on that score--it's too profitable for Washington and for the war's behind-the-scenes promoters.
Well, Mars is still out-of-bounds for a while longer at 18Can14, 9th house, and opposing Jupiter 21Cap36, so money for the Iraq Occupation must surely be on the Dems' topic menu along with US economic concerns (of The People--the elite ruling class is doing excellently, thanks.)
Chart-ruler Mars is applying to an inconjunct (or 'quincunx'--165 degrees = adjustment) to Chiron (2A08), a helpful trine to Uranus (2A32), and an opposition to Jupiter (3A20.)
According to Frances Sakoian, the Mars/Jupiter opposition is the soldier of fortune aspect and describes those who are extravagant--especially with other people's money. Ain't that just like a politician?!
Boasting, overestimation of abilities, and crusades which promote personal material interests are part of a Mars/Jupiter opposition, along with aggressive opinionation which can antagonize others. Speculation is not advised when Mars opposes Jupiter, natally or in transit.
An angry Hillary Clinton may be disappointed and disillusioned this evening as Mars makes his final applying aspect, a square to Lady Venus, but Barack Obama may induce "A Large and Disappointed Audience" for the Sun 27Ari22 and orator Mercury 28Ari08 are snugged around this degree's symbol.
Rudhyar: "Great hopes, excited expectations cannot be sustained. The manner in which (the situation) is met determines the individual's future possibilites of development and achievement."
He goes on: "There is a need here to be more than 'possessed by potentialities'...mankind as a whole will be affected...(there should be a) sense of RESPONSIBILITY for what one's actions will produce in people who have been made to expect significant results."
Lowered expectations, America? Do you think the change a new president represents will bring practical improvements? Hope so, but it's difficult for me to agree because America is being turned into a totalitarian police state. Can one mere president--and a black one at that--go against such a high and mighty group agenda?
And yet this evening's 'debate' begins with a lovely Mystic Rectangle ('practical mysticism'--this pattern also relates to the Pope in-the-house tonight) between Moon, Jupiter, Mars, and Uranus.
Another planetary pattern in play tonight is: Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Pluto in a high-flying Kite pattern pointing to the Ascendant and thus to Hillary's natal Sun.
The Kite's 'tail' is Sun conj Mercury which I believe represents Senator Obama and indicates a tendency toward stark realism when blended with Saturn/Pluto. Let's see if Obama gives hints of such by mentioning 'realism' in some way.
Moon (a woman; the public; publicity) is in the sign of health and dedicated service at 18Vir28, in 11th house of Hopes, Wishes, and Group Associations. Rudhyar gives the Sabian Symbol for "19Vir" as:
"A Swimming Race"...keynote: The stimulation that comes from a group effort toward a spiritual goal.
...What is needed is EMULATION, not competition."
Hopefully, the Dems will quit giving the opposition--the Rs--ammunition. We'll see how Hillary and Barack compete tonight--if one assumes that the nom decision--and even the prez decision--aren't already in the bag. It should be an entertaining show at the least.
After all, the 'elites' are all on the same side against the masses--and working for the establishment of their vision of a one world government, so political performances are a necessary part of the charade...for now.
Yep, their vision is our nightmare and we may as well be realistic about it. So let tonight's public relations effort for White House top shill begin!
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Feb 26, 2008
Clinton-Obama: Catfight in Cleveland
Rrraowrrwwrrr! The fur may fly tonight as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama square off in Cleveland, OH, 9:00 pm est. Will the lions' mitts be off?
With two US natal planets angular--Saturn in Libra rising, US n Sun at MC, our natal Sun-Saturn square will have an outlet and platform during tonight's rumble.
Sun-Saturn squares indicate one who (or an entity that) is defensive and fears rejection. Let's say that Obama represents the Sun here and Clinton = Saturn, the establishment actor. Obama brings the new--or at least hints of it--and Clinton is the more traditional whether or not she would be so as president--the fact is, she's the older of the two.
A Sun-Saturn square must be willing to suffer the frustration of not reaching goals so that judgment may be sharpened for making decisive plans "going forward." For success, this is the one-step-at-a-time aspect where feelings of inferiority must be conquered, yet not everyone admires people who 'come on strong' (Planets in Aspect, Robert Pelletier.)
This may be Hillary's result if she criticizes too harshly Obama's lack of experience for she has already delivered her judgment from on-high: his approach to foreign policy is "reckless and naive.'
(One must wonder how much more reckless and naive foreign policy could get than that of pie-in-the-sky-bombs-on-the-ground George Bush.)
So tonight in Cleveland, chart-ruler Venus is in 4th house in close conjunction with Mercury 11AQ26/37, and Chiron is triggering the recent Solar Eclipse at the "Unmasking degree" (she may have hopes of further unmasking Obama--bet she does.)
Moon's applying aspects: square Chiron (1A30), trine Uranus (2A05), but then a crash against a square to veiling Neptune (6A22.)
Sun makes no applying aspects, leading me to believe that Obama's position may stay the same after tonight--in the catbird seat. Rrraowwrrr! Yet if Hillary is correct about Barack's lack of substance, his lion's roar may turn out to be only a pussycat's snarl. Personally I'd rather have an Obama lion than a McCain dragon any day.
NN (contact with the public) is conj US n Moon (27AQ10 in US Sibly chart = people are watching), Sun 7Pis51, "A Girl Blowing a Bugle" (didn't know Hillary could play an instrument), and Mars, now direct but still in his Rx shadow, is in 9th house of Philosophy, Education, and Foreign Enemies...and in orb of his recent conj with Clinton's n Uranus, a very energizing transit when new methods are tried and there's danger in the environment.
Sun has been at Clinton's n Mc this week which is also Obama's n Chiron; and the 2nd cusp of money in the debate chart has Obama's n Neptune upon it. Perhaps instability with money may be a point of attack--squirrelly land deals, or whatever is yet to be revealed about his past financial dealings...friends being indicted, that sort of thing. You know the script for political thespians--we've heard it all before.
Yet perhaps the unmasker will turn into the unmasked!
Asteroid, Apollo, the hero, is conj Mc and US n Sun tonight, which sounds like Obama to me--at least it does to his followers. Golden Apollo, everyone's hero.
Moon 15Sco57 may indicate some betrayal at work relating to the 2nd house of values; money; relationships, and Moon is conj Clinton's n Venus 16Sco51, with her n Chiron nearby (Venus-Chiron = wounded love; love on the sacrificial altar, etc; plus, money issues for her, as well.)
Saturn has been visiting Obama's n Pluto of late, seemingly giving his power potential more structure rather than limiting it, and in 10th house of the 'debate' chart is Obama's n Mercury and Sun in shiny and entertaining Leo.
And with his n Mars 22Vir25 conj US n Neptune, it's doubtful the American public sees his actions very clearly (or ever will.) Of course, this also describes Obama's ability to activate (Mars) America's ideals (Neptune) for work and service (Virgo.)
Hillary's n Sun 2Sco48 is in the debate chart's 1st house, therefore rising a few minutes into the session.
Perhaps tonight with chart-ruler lady Venus applying to a sesquisquare with Mars, and trining the ASC (the debate itself), yet inconjuncting Mc (goals; aspirations) the unmasking will show who they both really are. New vs Old, status quo vs the avant garde--a perfect match for the Saturn-Uranus opposition which the world will be enduring in time for November elections.
But tonight staid Saturn and progressive Uranus are in an obsessive-compulsive quindecile dance (165 degr):
driven toward breaking old and outdated concepts through the use of innovative ideas; may break the rules through defiance of law and order; may disrupt governing systems; benefit comes bwo making societal changes for the betterment of mankind (Reeves, The Quindecile. )
'The betterment of mankind' would be good about now, si?
Well, there is a high-flying Kite formation at 9:00 pm if you're willing to count MC as the 'tail'--which counts US n Sun (and Bush's n Sun) with moneybags Jupiter 15Cap05 at Ic. Moon and progressive Uranus make up the rest of the Kite pattern, so we have these pictures...
Moon-Uranus = Jupiter: large plans to put self forward; sudden success;
Moon-Uranus = Mc: much excitement about ambition; sudden changes of plans; potential gains.
Moon-Uranus = US/Bush n Sun: anxiety about accomplishment; sense of free will; sudden attachments.
There is also a T-square of sorts, Jupiter-Mc = ASC: pleasant contact with others who support one's personal success.
With testy Mars still wandering out-of-bounds (and not cooperating with the other actors) and the Cleveland debate's Sun-Moon phase being Disseminating, information dispersal will be the order of the evening.
Whether political points are scored between candidates is another matter, but I'm fairly certain the public will be hearing a message or two from on high.
The *Images for Integration of tonight's Sun-Moon blend may be of note--it's an intuitive Water-Water combination: Sun Pis-Moon Sco...
Longfellow's poem, The Secret of the Sea...Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath.
Secrets revealed and wrath exposed? Rrrraowrrr, it should be an interesting squabble.
And now here's an apt quote from John Steinbeck who shares the Sun Pis-Moon Sco combo natally:
It is the nature of a man as he grows older...to protest against change, particularly change for the better.
And from the master futurist:
"Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage, torture, imprisonment without trial, assassination, and bombing of civilians, which does not change its moral color when it is committed by our side. The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
-George Orwell
With two US natal planets angular--Saturn in Libra rising, US n Sun at MC, our natal Sun-Saturn square will have an outlet and platform during tonight's rumble.
Sun-Saturn squares indicate one who (or an entity that) is defensive and fears rejection. Let's say that Obama represents the Sun here and Clinton = Saturn, the establishment actor. Obama brings the new--or at least hints of it--and Clinton is the more traditional whether or not she would be so as president--the fact is, she's the older of the two.
A Sun-Saturn square must be willing to suffer the frustration of not reaching goals so that judgment may be sharpened for making decisive plans "going forward." For success, this is the one-step-at-a-time aspect where feelings of inferiority must be conquered, yet not everyone admires people who 'come on strong' (Planets in Aspect, Robert Pelletier.)
This may be Hillary's result if she criticizes too harshly Obama's lack of experience for she has already delivered her judgment from on-high: his approach to foreign policy is "reckless and naive.'
(One must wonder how much more reckless and naive foreign policy could get than that of pie-in-the-sky-bombs-on-the-ground George Bush.)
So tonight in Cleveland, chart-ruler Venus is in 4th house in close conjunction with Mercury 11AQ26/37, and Chiron is triggering the recent Solar Eclipse at the "Unmasking degree" (she may have hopes of further unmasking Obama--bet she does.)
Moon's applying aspects: square Chiron (1A30), trine Uranus (2A05), but then a crash against a square to veiling Neptune (6A22.)
Sun makes no applying aspects, leading me to believe that Obama's position may stay the same after tonight--in the catbird seat. Rrraowwrrr! Yet if Hillary is correct about Barack's lack of substance, his lion's roar may turn out to be only a pussycat's snarl. Personally I'd rather have an Obama lion than a McCain dragon any day.
NN (contact with the public) is conj US n Moon (27AQ10 in US Sibly chart = people are watching), Sun 7Pis51, "A Girl Blowing a Bugle" (didn't know Hillary could play an instrument), and Mars, now direct but still in his Rx shadow, is in 9th house of Philosophy, Education, and Foreign Enemies...and in orb of his recent conj with Clinton's n Uranus, a very energizing transit when new methods are tried and there's danger in the environment.
Sun has been at Clinton's n Mc this week which is also Obama's n Chiron; and the 2nd cusp of money in the debate chart has Obama's n Neptune upon it. Perhaps instability with money may be a point of attack--squirrelly land deals, or whatever is yet to be revealed about his past financial dealings...friends being indicted, that sort of thing. You know the script for political thespians--we've heard it all before.
Yet perhaps the unmasker will turn into the unmasked!
Asteroid, Apollo, the hero, is conj Mc and US n Sun tonight, which sounds like Obama to me--at least it does to his followers. Golden Apollo, everyone's hero.
Moon 15Sco57 may indicate some betrayal at work relating to the 2nd house of values; money; relationships, and Moon is conj Clinton's n Venus 16Sco51, with her n Chiron nearby (Venus-Chiron = wounded love; love on the sacrificial altar, etc; plus, money issues for her, as well.)
Saturn has been visiting Obama's n Pluto of late, seemingly giving his power potential more structure rather than limiting it, and in 10th house of the 'debate' chart is Obama's n Mercury and Sun in shiny and entertaining Leo.
And with his n Mars 22Vir25 conj US n Neptune, it's doubtful the American public sees his actions very clearly (or ever will.) Of course, this also describes Obama's ability to activate (Mars) America's ideals (Neptune) for work and service (Virgo.)
Hillary's n Sun 2Sco48 is in the debate chart's 1st house, therefore rising a few minutes into the session.
Perhaps tonight with chart-ruler lady Venus applying to a sesquisquare with Mars, and trining the ASC (the debate itself), yet inconjuncting Mc (goals; aspirations) the unmasking will show who they both really are. New vs Old, status quo vs the avant garde--a perfect match for the Saturn-Uranus opposition which the world will be enduring in time for November elections.
But tonight staid Saturn and progressive Uranus are in an obsessive-compulsive quindecile dance (165 degr):
driven toward breaking old and outdated concepts through the use of innovative ideas; may break the rules through defiance of law and order; may disrupt governing systems; benefit comes bwo making societal changes for the betterment of mankind (Reeves, The Quindecile. )
'The betterment of mankind' would be good about now, si?
Well, there is a high-flying Kite formation at 9:00 pm if you're willing to count MC as the 'tail'--which counts US n Sun (and Bush's n Sun) with moneybags Jupiter 15Cap05 at Ic. Moon and progressive Uranus make up the rest of the Kite pattern, so we have these pictures...
Moon-Uranus = Jupiter: large plans to put self forward; sudden success;
Moon-Uranus = Mc: much excitement about ambition; sudden changes of plans; potential gains.
Moon-Uranus = US/Bush n Sun: anxiety about accomplishment; sense of free will; sudden attachments.
There is also a T-square of sorts, Jupiter-Mc = ASC: pleasant contact with others who support one's personal success.
With testy Mars still wandering out-of-bounds (and not cooperating with the other actors) and the Cleveland debate's Sun-Moon phase being Disseminating, information dispersal will be the order of the evening.
Whether political points are scored between candidates is another matter, but I'm fairly certain the public will be hearing a message or two from on high.
The *Images for Integration of tonight's Sun-Moon blend may be of note--it's an intuitive Water-Water combination: Sun Pis-Moon Sco...
Longfellow's poem, The Secret of the Sea...Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath.
Secrets revealed and wrath exposed? Rrrraowrrr, it should be an interesting squabble.
And now here's an apt quote from John Steinbeck who shares the Sun Pis-Moon Sco combo natally:
It is the nature of a man as he grows older...to protest against change, particularly change for the better.
And from the master futurist:
"Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage, torture, imprisonment without trial, assassination, and bombing of civilians, which does not change its moral color when it is committed by our side. The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
-George Orwell
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