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"The life of the nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous."
Frederick Douglass (1818- 1895), Escaped slave, abolitionist, author, editor of the North Star and later of the New National Era.
May 28, 2009
May 27, 2009
Is the US Constitution a Solar Cult document?
At TarotScopes, Michael Tsarion has published an interesting treatment of the US Constitution and the motives of the ruling oligarchy who ratified it on June 21, 1788.
And I was just preparing to post the Summer Solstice chart for June 21, 2009! Well, this blog is called Stars Over Washington, after all.
But now the 2009 chart's import may be superseded by the ratification of the US Constitution *221 years ago on June 21, an Atonist festival day when the sun ascends to its highest point in the zodiac (as experienced from Earth.) Naturally, astrologers of the day (who bordered on the verge of being what today we call astronomers) would have been aware of this fact about June 21, 1788, and, desirous of success, acted according to the import of the event (ratification, the So Below) which they synchronized with the celestial imprimatur of the moment (As Above...)
And 00Can00 is one of the World Points of Prominence (00Aries/Libra, 00Can/Cap, the Cardinal Cross of action where world events may manifest when stimulated by transits or progressions.)
Tsarion's article calls the Constitution a 'Solar Cult document' which he says refers to We The People, not as we've always believed (the citizenry), but to the ruling over-class itself. He goes on and you may wish to check it out - I would, if I were you.
For some years I've accepted the idea that many of our Founding Oligarchs...er, Founders...were astrologers, but don't fret - Astrology wasn't poo-pooed in the 18th century as it is now. Actually, it was considered for centuries to be part of a well-rounded education...imagine that! Yet there are those even now who have interests in this ancient and powerful tool not being used by the masses. That's part of why Pluto was 'demoted' - as if astrologers would forget the saboteur's existence and its secret hand connotations. Puh!
Now the Vatican might tell you they don't 'use' Astrology, but centuries of known papal birth charts prove them duplicitous on the subject. They caution ordinary folk away from its use, just as do most other denominations and churches. Mmm-hmm. Did God set the Earth inside a Great Cosmic Clock we call our Solar System or did He not? Are monthly calendars based on the Moon's transits, years based on the Earth's orbit round the Sun? Did God name the Fixed Stars such as Betelgeuse and Regulus as mentioned by name in the Bible?
You betcha. Astrology brings the element of Time to the table which no other system of understanding can bring. As the Bible famously advises us: Know thyself. And Astrology studies help in this endeavor tremendously.
So apparently I soon will be posting here the Solar Return chart for the US Constitution using the Sun's 00Can00:00 moment from June 21, 1788 (to base the Return chart upon) when the document was ratified 'behind closed doors' and away from the prying eyes and the expressed opposition of a majority of the American people of the day.
Stay tuned, m'peops....
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*221 years = 221 degrees = 11 Scorpio...Sabian Symbol: "A Drowning Man Is Being Rescued" in an evolutionary sense (June 21, 2009) as it relates to the US Constitution of 1788.
Rudhyar gives this degree's Keynote as: "The deep concern of the social group for the safety of individuals." Sounds good, doesn't it? He continues: "The HUMANITARIANISM thus displayed has deep cultural roots."
Or so we've always been sold.
And I was just preparing to post the Summer Solstice chart for June 21, 2009! Well, this blog is called Stars Over Washington, after all.
But now the 2009 chart's import may be superseded by the ratification of the US Constitution *221 years ago on June 21, an Atonist festival day when the sun ascends to its highest point in the zodiac (as experienced from Earth.) Naturally, astrologers of the day (who bordered on the verge of being what today we call astronomers) would have been aware of this fact about June 21, 1788, and, desirous of success, acted according to the import of the event (ratification, the So Below) which they synchronized with the celestial imprimatur of the moment (As Above...)
And 00Can00 is one of the World Points of Prominence (00Aries/Libra, 00Can/Cap, the Cardinal Cross of action where world events may manifest when stimulated by transits or progressions.)
Tsarion's article calls the Constitution a 'Solar Cult document' which he says refers to We The People, not as we've always believed (the citizenry), but to the ruling over-class itself. He goes on and you may wish to check it out - I would, if I were you.
For some years I've accepted the idea that many of our Founding Oligarchs...er, Founders...were astrologers, but don't fret - Astrology wasn't poo-pooed in the 18th century as it is now. Actually, it was considered for centuries to be part of a well-rounded education...imagine that! Yet there are those even now who have interests in this ancient and powerful tool not being used by the masses. That's part of why Pluto was 'demoted' - as if astrologers would forget the saboteur's existence and its secret hand connotations. Puh!
Now the Vatican might tell you they don't 'use' Astrology, but centuries of known papal birth charts prove them duplicitous on the subject. They caution ordinary folk away from its use, just as do most other denominations and churches. Mmm-hmm. Did God set the Earth inside a Great Cosmic Clock we call our Solar System or did He not? Are monthly calendars based on the Moon's transits, years based on the Earth's orbit round the Sun? Did God name the Fixed Stars such as Betelgeuse and Regulus as mentioned by name in the Bible?
You betcha. Astrology brings the element of Time to the table which no other system of understanding can bring. As the Bible famously advises us: Know thyself. And Astrology studies help in this endeavor tremendously.
So apparently I soon will be posting here the Solar Return chart for the US Constitution using the Sun's 00Can00:00 moment from June 21, 1788 (to base the Return chart upon) when the document was ratified 'behind closed doors' and away from the prying eyes and the expressed opposition of a majority of the American people of the day.
Stay tuned, m'peops....
~:~
*221 years = 221 degrees = 11 Scorpio...Sabian Symbol: "A Drowning Man Is Being Rescued" in an evolutionary sense (June 21, 2009) as it relates to the US Constitution of 1788.
Rudhyar gives this degree's Keynote as: "The deep concern of the social group for the safety of individuals." Sounds good, doesn't it? He continues: "The HUMANITARIANISM thus displayed has deep cultural roots."
Or so we've always been sold.
Andrew Jackson 1829/1833: banks take over US
Guess my ancestry makes me more of an agrarian American in the Jefferson mold rather than a banking maven, hence my interest in the subject of Pres. Andrew Jackson who was not a fan of the US' Second Bank which had 'helped start the Panic of 1819.'
First elected in 1828 during a Saturn/Uranus opposition (as was Barack Obama Nov 2008 and the opposition is ongoing), Andrew Jackson won the presidency as a rough war hero who was a man of the people...a democrat, we may say. The native peoples got a raw deal from him as he sought to expand America into the West and this may be the biggest stain upon his presidency.
My Indian heritage has never been happy about this facet of his leadership, for being an American is a paradoxical thing. In his book,The Secret History of the West, author Nicholas Hagger notes the tall, red-haired Andrew Jackson as "the consolidator of the American Revolution." The book includes much history of Jackson's exploits.
And the US Constitution ignored the American Indians entirely even though the document and our Bill of Rights as 'freedom documents' both owe huge debts of gratitude to the Iroquois Confederacy for what we think of as our Founding Fathers' mental brilliance. Greek precepts are apparent, Weishaupt's Illuminati, and Freemason input are in evidence, yes, but the Iroquoi Nation was on the continent bringing peace and democratic governance before we arrived, hello!
In fact, US natal Sun's Sabian Symbol for '14 Cancer' is: "A Very Old Man Facing a Vast Dark Space to the Northeast"...Iroquoi territory was in the northeast, 'very old man' is a wisdom figure.
Back to Bossy Bankers in Government:
Jackson entered the Oval Office with the intent of reforming the Second Bank which he thought had too much control of our national government in an unconstitutional manner (and he was right - look at the high-handed Federal Banking System now.)
Here's the text of Jackson's first Inaugural Address of March 4, 1829, worth a review considering today's manufactured 'financial crisis.'
Check out it out: banks were taking great amounts of public monies then too.
And if you follow one link here today, let it be Pres. Jackson's Veto Message to the Senate of July 10, 1832 when he nixed the bill "to modify and continue" the act entitled 'An act to incorporate the subscribers to the Bank of the United States' which was presented to him on July 4, 1832.
He was not pleased. Congress had ignored his concerns and the presentiments he voiced in his first term, so he vetoed the bill in 1832 while again noting his objections.
Well, it's been one-hundred-seventy-six years since 1833 and here's the text of Jackson's second address of March 4, 1833, if you'd like to see how he got on and what he had to say about it.
And 2009's Score so far? American people: -0-, Banks: the whole enchilada.
First elected in 1828 during a Saturn/Uranus opposition (as was Barack Obama Nov 2008 and the opposition is ongoing), Andrew Jackson won the presidency as a rough war hero who was a man of the people...a democrat, we may say. The native peoples got a raw deal from him as he sought to expand America into the West and this may be the biggest stain upon his presidency.
My Indian heritage has never been happy about this facet of his leadership, for being an American is a paradoxical thing. In his book,The Secret History of the West, author Nicholas Hagger notes the tall, red-haired Andrew Jackson as "the consolidator of the American Revolution." The book includes much history of Jackson's exploits.
And the US Constitution ignored the American Indians entirely even though the document and our Bill of Rights as 'freedom documents' both owe huge debts of gratitude to the Iroquois Confederacy for what we think of as our Founding Fathers' mental brilliance. Greek precepts are apparent, Weishaupt's Illuminati, and Freemason input are in evidence, yes, but the Iroquoi Nation was on the continent bringing peace and democratic governance before we arrived, hello!
In fact, US natal Sun's Sabian Symbol for '14 Cancer' is: "A Very Old Man Facing a Vast Dark Space to the Northeast"...Iroquoi territory was in the northeast, 'very old man' is a wisdom figure.
Back to Bossy Bankers in Government:
Jackson entered the Oval Office with the intent of reforming the Second Bank which he thought had too much control of our national government in an unconstitutional manner (and he was right - look at the high-handed Federal Banking System now.)
Here's the text of Jackson's first Inaugural Address of March 4, 1829, worth a review considering today's manufactured 'financial crisis.'
Check out it out: banks were taking great amounts of public monies then too.
And if you follow one link here today, let it be Pres. Jackson's Veto Message to the Senate of July 10, 1832 when he nixed the bill "to modify and continue" the act entitled 'An act to incorporate the subscribers to the Bank of the United States' which was presented to him on July 4, 1832.
He was not pleased. Congress had ignored his concerns and the presentiments he voiced in his first term, so he vetoed the bill in 1832 while again noting his objections.
One of the more well-known of his objections was the specter of bank stocks passing into foreign hands and what would then be America's 'condition' if we were to become involved in a war with that country. Yeah, well, the congressional horses left that barn a long time ago. Guess the speculators weren't concerned since their affections lay elsewhere than on American soil. And we're suffering from the results now.
Well, it's been one-hundred-seventy-six years since 1833 and here's the text of Jackson's second address of March 4, 1833, if you'd like to see how he got on and what he had to say about it.
And 2009's Score so far? American people: -0-, Banks: the whole enchilada.
~:~
Saturn/Uranus opposition Sept 2009 and the NWO
Recently I glommed onto Melody Scott Zindell's writings on New World Order subjects at Astrology of Conspiracy and thought you might want to check out her 2009 and the New World Order post which contains a list of 2009/10 transits such as the 3rd and last exact opposition between Saturn and Uranus on Sept 10 - 17, 2009, on the 24Vir/Pisc axis.
If you allow a 2 degree orb, Saturn's position is near US natal Neptune 22Vir54, the 'grim reality' transit, yet also when dreams and ideals (Nep) may be made real (Saturn.) But higher forces such as the power elite know the Astrology of it as well so let's not crow about it just yet. Read on....
In her previous post, Melody discusses Henry Kissinger's recent statement on CNBC's Squawk on the Street about Barack Obama's suitability for continuing the promotion of the NWO agenda (as I have groused about here and elsewhere)...here's an excerpt:
"His (Obama's) task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a new world order can be created. It's a great opportunity, it isn't just a crisis." - Henry Kissinger
Yes, crises manufactured in order to create opportunity by and for elite geezers like you!
And yes, I know the I Ching has given that advice for centuries: 'see crisis as opportunity.'
Still I wonder if 'his task' was imparted to then-candidate Obama when he slipped away from his campaign plane (with reporters already on board - Robert Gibbs attempted to cover for Obama's whereabouts and singular behavior) to attend June 2008's Bilderberg Group meeting in Chantilly, Virginia?
He got their okay-for-prez nod then, if not before. And a few NWO/*NAU 'marching orders' too, this populist imagines.
Well, here's something of an astrological description of the sort of crisis as opportunity time period that Kissinger is so happily crowing about these days. He simply can't wait to throttle the globe.
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*NAU = North American Union being planned by Bilderbergers as was the EU. They got their way then, they're getting it now if you look at the weakening of the US dollar which must be crashed to smithereens to make the NAU seem more palatable to the masses.
If you allow a 2 degree orb, Saturn's position is near US natal Neptune 22Vir54, the 'grim reality' transit, yet also when dreams and ideals (Nep) may be made real (Saturn.) But higher forces such as the power elite know the Astrology of it as well so let's not crow about it just yet. Read on....
In her previous post, Melody discusses Henry Kissinger's recent statement on CNBC's Squawk on the Street about Barack Obama's suitability for continuing the promotion of the NWO agenda (as I have groused about here and elsewhere)...here's an excerpt:
"His (Obama's) task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a new world order can be created. It's a great opportunity, it isn't just a crisis." - Henry Kissinger
Yes, crises manufactured in order to create opportunity by and for elite geezers like you!
And yes, I know the I Ching has given that advice for centuries: 'see crisis as opportunity.'
Still I wonder if 'his task' was imparted to then-candidate Obama when he slipped away from his campaign plane (with reporters already on board - Robert Gibbs attempted to cover for Obama's whereabouts and singular behavior) to attend June 2008's Bilderberg Group meeting in Chantilly, Virginia?
He got their okay-for-prez nod then, if not before. And a few NWO/*NAU 'marching orders' too, this populist imagines.
Well, here's something of an astrological description of the sort of crisis as opportunity time period that Kissinger is so happily crowing about these days. He simply can't wait to throttle the globe.
~:~
*NAU = North American Union being planned by Bilderbergers as was the EU. They got their way then, they're getting it now if you look at the weakening of the US dollar which must be crashed to smithereens to make the NAU seem more palatable to the masses.
Space Station Flares intense but not a mystery
Often the SpaceWeather News arrives a day late but is always timely for astronomical events...
Space Weather News for May 26, 2009
SPACE STATION FLARES: Lately, a growing number of observers are reporting intense "flares" coming from the International Space Station (ISS). During some night time flybys, the luminosity of the space station surges 10-fold or more. Some people have witnessed flares of magnitude -8 or twenty-five times brighter than Venus.
A movie featured on today's edition of SpaceWeather.com shows what is happening: sunlight glints from the station's recently expanded solar arrays in a shadow-casting flash.
Currently, the flares are unpredictable. You watch a flyby not knowing if one will happen or how bright it might be. That's what makes the hunt for "ISS flares" so much fun. Sky watchers in North America should be alert for flares this week. The ISS is making a series of evening passes over many US and Canadian towns and cities.
Flyby times are available from Simple Satellite Tracker.
Would you like a phone call when the ISS is about to fly over your hometown? Sign up for Space Weather Phone!
Space Weather News for May 26, 2009
SPACE STATION FLARES: Lately, a growing number of observers are reporting intense "flares" coming from the International Space Station (ISS). During some night time flybys, the luminosity of the space station surges 10-fold or more. Some people have witnessed flares of magnitude -8 or twenty-five times brighter than Venus.
A movie featured on today's edition of SpaceWeather.com shows what is happening: sunlight glints from the station's recently expanded solar arrays in a shadow-casting flash.
Currently, the flares are unpredictable. You watch a flyby not knowing if one will happen or how bright it might be. That's what makes the hunt for "ISS flares" so much fun. Sky watchers in North America should be alert for flares this week. The ISS is making a series of evening passes over many US and Canadian towns and cities.
Flyby times are available from Simple Satellite Tracker.
Would you like a phone call when the ISS is about to fly over your hometown? Sign up for Space Weather Phone!
Got blogging troubles of my own...
By a synchronistic 'accident' I ran across a Blogger Known Issue about some bloggers such as moi having trouble with IE giving 'operation aborted' messages, an annoyance that began here about a week ago.
Blogger's suggestion is that the Followers widget (what I term 'Favored Visitors' because they are) be moved lower in the sidebar. When my first try wasn't enough of a relocation, I moved it lower.
Then it occurred to me that the Moon of the Day widget/photo had caused problems before so why not remove it for now? So far things are working more smoothly.
Woo, I hope it lasts! And when Blogger gets their Followers conflict resolved we'll all be rollin' in green clover and it will sassily move up to where it was before!
Blogger's suggestion is that the Followers widget (what I term 'Favored Visitors' because they are) be moved lower in the sidebar. When my first try wasn't enough of a relocation, I moved it lower.
Then it occurred to me that the Moon of the Day widget/photo had caused problems before so why not remove it for now? So far things are working more smoothly.
Woo, I hope it lasts! And when Blogger gets their Followers conflict resolved we'll all be rollin' in green clover and it will sassily move up to where it was before!
Reaching deals with the WTO
If SO'W had a New World Order Watch feature, this article would probably be part of it.
As it is you're stuck with me.
As it is you're stuck with me.
May 26, 2009
Sonia Sotomayor (6.25.54) nom'd for SCOTUS 5.26.09
Update Wednesday 5.27.09: here's Robert Reich weighing in on the Republicans v Sotomayor question.
Original post starts here if you don't stop reading immediately:
NPR has live-blogged this morning's announcement by the president of his nomination of Sonia Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice. If confirmed, Sotomayor will be only the 3rd woman ever to serve and the 1st Hispanic on the SCOTUS bench.
When Pres. Obama began his announcement this morning (10:15 am edt), 4Leo50 was rising with his natal Sun '13Leo' in tow, and his natal Mercury just risen.
Moon 4Can31 (conj 12th cusp of the announcement) conjuncts Sotomayor's natal Sun, a small indicator of new beginnings, yet the Moon makes no applying aspects, however, in the announcement chart, and is out-of-bounds of the earthly plane (which may only signify that she currently is not in the circuit or on the SC bench as of yet.)
A quick Wiki tells us that she was born in the Bronx, NY, on June 25, 1954. The Moon was in Aries for most of the 24-hour period but moved into Taurus, sign of the values preserver. This tallies with her statement this morning about the US Constitution and the Founding Fathers, but we'll see. I'll supply the 'Images for Integration' for Sun Can-Moon Aries/Taurus and you may compare them if you like.
But going by today's nom announcement chart with messenger Mercury Rx 23Tau35 and Pluto 2Cap40 Rx opposing her natal Sun, I'm not certain the secret hand of manipulating Pluto will allow her confirmation, although personally I'm reasonably happy with the possibility of her serving on the SC bench.
As was noted afterwards by NPR's Nina Totenberg (see NPR coverage above), the Republicans will have difficulty opposing an Hispanic, and her judicial record is "not particularly controversial." Oh the tangled webs...
Plus: she's been called 'The Woman Who Saved Baseball' because she quickly ended the 1994/95 strike!
Yet I'm sure the GOP have their 'she's liberal and an activist' brushes out and are busy painting posters and funding ads galore to undermine, not just Sotomayor, but to gum up a successful, trouble-free SC nom from a Democratic president, his first but probably not his last. Politics put ahead of the nation's sake, hmm?
Sun Can-Moon Aries (Water-Fire): A suffragette takes to the barricades in aid of her cause...A quiet home-body becomes a sports champion.
Sun Can-Moon Tau (Water-Earth): A family photo album...A flourishing family business...A painter captures the taste and smell of a landscape. (Sun Sign-Moon Sign, Chas & Suzi Harvey.)
Aries is the sign of the pioneer, of numero uno, which certainly fits her opportunity for SCOTUS.
But considering Pres. Obama's remarks about her this morning, about how she's "rooted in the real world" and has not forgotten where she came from, I'll vote for Sun Can-Moon Taurus, for now. And she gave her mother, who was in the audience, a big shout-out for making her who she is.
Yet if Sonia Sotomayor as SC Justice doesn't please those in charge of the whole ballgame, this post and my surmises on her Moon sign will turn out to be moot in the end.
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Read more on tactics against Sotomayor's nomination: 'Enemy of the White Male'!
Original post starts here if you don't stop reading immediately:
NPR has live-blogged this morning's announcement by the president of his nomination of Sonia Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice. If confirmed, Sotomayor will be only the 3rd woman ever to serve and the 1st Hispanic on the SCOTUS bench.
When Pres. Obama began his announcement this morning (10:15 am edt), 4Leo50 was rising with his natal Sun '13Leo' in tow, and his natal Mercury just risen.
Moon 4Can31 (conj 12th cusp of the announcement) conjuncts Sotomayor's natal Sun, a small indicator of new beginnings, yet the Moon makes no applying aspects, however, in the announcement chart, and is out-of-bounds of the earthly plane (which may only signify that she currently is not in the circuit or on the SC bench as of yet.)
A quick Wiki tells us that she was born in the Bronx, NY, on June 25, 1954. The Moon was in Aries for most of the 24-hour period but moved into Taurus, sign of the values preserver. This tallies with her statement this morning about the US Constitution and the Founding Fathers, but we'll see. I'll supply the 'Images for Integration' for Sun Can-Moon Aries/Taurus and you may compare them if you like.
But going by today's nom announcement chart with messenger Mercury Rx 23Tau35 and Pluto 2Cap40 Rx opposing her natal Sun, I'm not certain the secret hand of manipulating Pluto will allow her confirmation, although personally I'm reasonably happy with the possibility of her serving on the SC bench.
As was noted afterwards by NPR's Nina Totenberg (see NPR coverage above), the Republicans will have difficulty opposing an Hispanic, and her judicial record is "not particularly controversial." Oh the tangled webs...
Plus: she's been called 'The Woman Who Saved Baseball' because she quickly ended the 1994/95 strike!
Yet I'm sure the GOP have their 'she's liberal and an activist' brushes out and are busy painting posters and funding ads galore to undermine, not just Sotomayor, but to gum up a successful, trouble-free SC nom from a Democratic president, his first but probably not his last. Politics put ahead of the nation's sake, hmm?
Sun Can-Moon Aries (Water-Fire): A suffragette takes to the barricades in aid of her cause...A quiet home-body becomes a sports champion.
Sun Can-Moon Tau (Water-Earth): A family photo album...A flourishing family business...A painter captures the taste and smell of a landscape. (Sun Sign-Moon Sign, Chas & Suzi Harvey.)
Aries is the sign of the pioneer, of numero uno, which certainly fits her opportunity for SCOTUS.
But considering Pres. Obama's remarks about her this morning, about how she's "rooted in the real world" and has not forgotten where she came from, I'll vote for Sun Can-Moon Taurus, for now. And she gave her mother, who was in the audience, a big shout-out for making her who she is.
Yet if Sonia Sotomayor as SC Justice doesn't please those in charge of the whole ballgame, this post and my surmises on her Moon sign will turn out to be moot in the end.
~:~
Read more on tactics against Sotomayor's nomination: 'Enemy of the White Male'!
May 25, 2009
It's him not me, right? So it's off to war we go
Here are two quotes that concern enemies, outer and inner, one from Eric Fromm, one from Mohandas Gandhi. You may think they are diametrically opposed to my previous post's content below about Memorial Day and how we celebrate it...and you'd be right:
"Another nation is made out to be utterly depraved and fiendish, while one's own nation stands for everything that is good and noble. Every action of the enemy is judged by one standard - every action of oneself by another. Even good deeds by the enemy are considered a sign of particular devilishness, meant to deceive us and the world, while our bad deeds are necessary and justified by our noble goals, which they serve." Eric Fromm
(Fromm describes a basic tenet of propagandizing the people of a nation into accepting war through use of an emotionally rationalized agenda of double standards and the human trait of projecting onto others what we're desperate to deny within ourselves. ID the monsters!)
"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty and democracy?" Mohandas Gandhi.
(Indeed. It makes no difference whatsoever. jc)
"Another nation is made out to be utterly depraved and fiendish, while one's own nation stands for everything that is good and noble. Every action of the enemy is judged by one standard - every action of oneself by another. Even good deeds by the enemy are considered a sign of particular devilishness, meant to deceive us and the world, while our bad deeds are necessary and justified by our noble goals, which they serve." Eric Fromm
(Fromm describes a basic tenet of propagandizing the people of a nation into accepting war through use of an emotionally rationalized agenda of double standards and the human trait of projecting onto others what we're desperate to deny within ourselves. ID the monsters!)
"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty and democracy?" Mohandas Gandhi.
(Indeed. It makes no difference whatsoever. jc)
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