Clinton-Obama: Catfight in Cleveland

Rrraowrrwwrrr! The fur may fly tonight as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama square off in Cleveland, OH, 9:00 pm est. Will the lions' mitts be off?

With two US natal planets angular--Saturn in Libra rising, US n Sun at MC, our natal Sun-Saturn square will have an outlet and platform during tonight's rumble.

Sun-Saturn squares indicate one who (or an entity that) is defensive and fears rejection. Let's say that Obama represents the Sun here and Clinton = Saturn, the establishment actor. Obama brings the new--or at least hints of it--and Clinton is the more traditional whether or not she would be so as president--the fact is, she's the older of the two.

A Sun-Saturn square must be willing to suffer the frustration of not reaching goals so that judgment may be sharpened for making decisive plans "going forward." For success, this is the one-step-at-a-time aspect where feelings of inferiority must be conquered, yet not everyone admires people who 'come on strong' (Planets in Aspect, Robert Pelletier.)

This may be Hillary's result if she criticizes too harshly Obama's lack of experience for she has already delivered her judgment from on-high: his approach to foreign policy is "reckless and naive.'

(One must wonder how much more reckless and naive foreign policy could get than that of pie-in-the-sky-bombs-on-the-ground George Bush.)

So tonight in Cleveland, chart-ruler Venus is in 4th house in close conjunction with Mercury 11AQ26/37, and Chiron is triggering the recent Solar Eclipse at the "Unmasking degree" (she may have hopes of further unmasking Obama--bet she does.)

Moon's applying aspects: square Chiron (1A30), trine Uranus (2A05), but then a crash against a square to veiling Neptune (6A22.)

Sun makes no applying aspects, leading me to believe that Obama's position may stay the same after tonight--in the catbird seat. Rrraowwrrr! Yet if Hillary is correct about Barack's lack of substance, his lion's roar may turn out to be only a pussycat's snarl. Personally I'd rather have an Obama lion than a McCain dragon any day.

NN (contact with the public) is conj US n Moon (27AQ10 in US Sibly chart = people are watching), Sun 7Pis51, "A Girl Blowing a Bugle" (didn't know Hillary could play an instrument), and Mars, now direct but still in his Rx shadow, is in 9th house of Philosophy, Education, and Foreign Enemies...and in orb of his recent conj with Clinton's n Uranus, a very energizing transit when new methods are tried and there's danger in the environment.

Sun has been at Clinton's n Mc this week which is also Obama's n Chiron; and the 2nd cusp of money in the debate chart has Obama's n Neptune upon it. Perhaps instability with money may be a point of attack--squirrelly land deals, or whatever is yet to be revealed about his past financial dealings...friends being indicted, that sort of thing. You know the script for political thespians--we've heard it all before.

Yet perhaps the unmasker will turn into the unmasked!

Asteroid, Apollo, the hero, is conj Mc and US n Sun tonight, which sounds like Obama to me--at least it does to his followers. Golden Apollo, everyone's hero.

Moon 15Sco57 may indicate some betrayal at work relating to the 2nd house of values; money; relationships, and Moon is conj Clinton's n Venus 16Sco51, with her n Chiron nearby (Venus-Chiron = wounded love; love on the sacrificial altar, etc; plus, money issues for her, as well.)

Saturn has been visiting Obama's n Pluto of late, seemingly giving his power potential more structure rather than limiting it, and in 10th house of the 'debate' chart is Obama's n Mercury and Sun in shiny and entertaining Leo.

And with his n Mars 22Vir25 conj US n Neptune, it's doubtful the American public sees his actions very clearly (or ever will.) Of course, this also describes Obama's ability to activate (Mars) America's ideals (Neptune) for work and service (Virgo.)

Hillary's n Sun 2Sco48 is in the debate chart's 1st house, therefore rising a few minutes into the session.


Perhaps tonight with chart-ruler lady Venus applying to a sesquisquare with Mars, and trining the ASC (the debate itself), yet inconjuncting Mc (goals; aspirations) the unmasking will show who they both really are. New vs Old, status quo vs the avant garde--a perfect match for the Saturn-Uranus opposition which the world will be enduring in time for November elections.

But tonight staid Saturn and progressive Uranus are in an obsessive-compulsive quindecile dance (165 degr):

driven toward breaking old and outdated concepts through the use of innovative ideas; may break the rules through defiance of law and order; may disrupt governing systems; benefit comes bwo making societal changes for the betterment of mankind (Reeves, The Quindecile. )

'The betterment of mankind' would be good about now, si?

Well, there is a high-flying Kite formation at 9:00 pm if you're willing to count MC as the 'tail'--which counts US n Sun (and Bush's n Sun) with moneybags Jupiter 15Cap05 at Ic. Moon and progressive Uranus make up the rest of the Kite pattern, so we have these pictures...

Moon-Uranus = Jupiter: large plans to put self forward; sudden success;

Moon-Uranus = Mc: much excitement about ambition; sudden changes of plans; potential gains.

Moon-Uranus = US/Bush n Sun: anxiety about accomplishment; sense of free will; sudden attachments.

There is also a T-square of sorts, Jupiter-Mc = ASC: pleasant contact with others who support one's personal success.

With testy Mars still wandering out-of-bounds (and not cooperating with the other actors) and the Cleveland debate's Sun-Moon phase being Disseminating, information dispersal will be the order of the evening.

Whether political points are scored between candidates is another matter, but I'm fairly certain the public will be hearing a message or two from on high.

The *Images for Integration of tonight's Sun-Moon blend may be of note--it's an intuitive Water-Water combination: Sun Pis-Moon Sco...

Longfellow's poem, The Secret of the Sea...Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath.

Secrets revealed and wrath exposed? Rrrraowrrr, it should be an interesting squabble.

And now here's an apt quote from John Steinbeck who shares the Sun Pis-Moon Sco combo natally:

It is the nature of a man as he grows older...to protest against change, particularly change for the better.


And from the master futurist:


"Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage, torture, imprisonment without trial, assassination, and bombing of civilians, which does not change its moral color when it is committed by our side. The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."

-George Orwell

who's bankrolling Nader?

Ralph Nader, who announced another White House run on Meet the Press Sunday has a history of keeping GOP money--and I was thinking it was Dem money this time.

Could be but really--is there a difference between D and R? Isn't it them vs us? Dem money is just as green!

His "I'm not a spoiler" sounds similar to Nixon's "I'm not a crook" and I had to wonder at the big fat 14 minutes (by my count) spent on him by MTP host Tim Russert. With Nader's natal ASC (his nibs himself) exactly AT Midheaven when the 'interview' began it was almost as if someone knew the Astrology of the moment!

Scroll just below for my original post on Ralph Nader with link to Jude's Threshold which has some Nader chart details.

Timeline Of Bush Admin's Politicization Of Terror, 2002-2008

Olbermann presents an impressively detailed timeline called "The Nexus of Politics and Terror," chronicling the Bush admin's exploitation of terror threats for political gain. "What we were told about terror, and not told, for security reasons, has overlapped considerably with what we were told about terror, and not told, for political reasons."

read more | digg story

Ralph Nader announces--yet again!

This morning I watched Meet the Press as Ralph Nader, that thorn in corporatism's side, announced yet another run for the US presidency.

Why is this common-do-gooder such a thorn?

Nader's natal Sun 8Pis08 is conjunct America's natal Chiron-Pluto midpoint (July 4, 1776) and Chiron-Pluto is one of the primary signatures for plutocracy with its oppressions, class warfare, racism, corporatism, violence, and disenfranchisements.

You'll find a few notes on the subject of Ralph Nader here along with an article link concerning Hillary Clinton's and John McCain's votes to go to war in Iraq.

What do you think: should their warmongering votes disqualfy them from the presidency?

Obama in Dallas + Mars out-of-bounds

Belfast Telegraph has an article concerning the security "lapse" in Dallas last Wednesday, Feb 20, when a higher order was handed down to stop scanning and searching bags of people entering the Reunion Arena for Senator Obama's rally.

Looking at the horoscope for the time the order was given I saw that America's natal South Node (SN) was at Midheaven 6AQ and as you know, SN is a point of separation which relates to past behavior.

And as you also know, the past behavior to be concerned about here is the assassination of duly and popularly elected Pres. John Kennedy in Dallas on Nov 22, 1963.

Scroll down a couple of entries to read my original post on the matter and keep your ear to the ground--for our Secret Service has has been known to fail us before.

Of note is a YOD (crisis or special task) which the chart for *11:00 am cst Dallas (Feb 20) forms with the US n Pluto as focal planet, and the base a sextile between Moon 26Leo04 and out-of-bounds Mars 26Gem33 pointing to Pluto so that we have this picture:

Moon/Mars = Pluto: powerful opinionation; demanding nature; one-sided outlook; fanaticism.

The Moon/Mars combo represents quarreling, vigorous enterprises, and/or willpower imbued with a fighting spirit (Ebertin.) Pluto is the assassin, saboteur, or spy.

I'm not as much attempting to imply anything as it relates to Obama's safety on Wednesday or on his future safety as to create a record of this tidbit of information in case it should become pertinent at a future time.

If it should apply to any similar situations, details will be updated for there are more factors of note in the Feb 20 chart esp as it relates to the JFK assassination chart for Nov 22, 1963.

*A Shout-Out of Thanks go to Alex for ferreting out the time of the order (11:00 am cst) and the time the Arena's gates opened to the public (10:00 am.)

Clinton borrows from John Edwards

So I'm guessing she had Edwards' permission to use his line about what this campaign is about:

Astrology of the Oscars

In a vain attempt to escape the vermin-infested world o'politics for a little while, I've composed an article on the Astrology of the Oscars, if you're interested, added to a listing of 2008's nominated films, with a nod to 2007's top grossers (she said grossers!)

Hint: the first on the 2007 list has to do with Scorpionic Pluto mutations...bet you know who that is.)

Well, vain vanity and escapism are what Hollywood banks on, so why not take a break?

Hannah Hollywood will be in attendance, as well as some chart details set for the ceremony in California, Sunday evening, 8:00 pm pst, popcorn optional (I prefer plain please--and hold the genetically modified corn while you're at it.)

So...will you be joining us? ;p

Obama: it happened in Dallas

News Updates from Citizens For Legitimate Government Feb 21, 2008

LegitGov Breaking News


Secret Service Gave Order to Stop Screening Obama Crowd In Dallas

Police concerned about order to stop screening for weapons Feb 21, 2008:

Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena. The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security. Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department's homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order--apparently made by the US Secret Service--was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant seats before Obama came on.#

Oh yeah, of course that's the explanation. Or was it to send a message to someone to be ready to 'have at it' another time? And...this happened in DALLAS? As if anyone trusts them after JFK's 1963 assassination in Dallas when Bush Sr was CIA director!

Bit of a lapse from old Poppy there and he was in his 30s at the time. Whenever I look at national or mundane charts I pay attention to 11Vir+ primarily because it's Poppy's natal Ascendant (his nibs himself.) And old Saturn will be visiting there soon...

Well, if anyone knows the time the Dallas rally began, please let me know--I'd like to take a close look at the chart/s...see who was afoot and behind!